In your opinion, is Brexit going to benefit or be a disaster for the UK and why?

Neither. It’s going to be Britain’s lost decade of mismanaged decline.

The economy will remain sluggish and will be outperformed by other European countries. Pre-referendum forecasts of 2–3% annual growth have now been replaced by forecasts of less than 2%. A chaotic or disruptive exit from the EU may translate into zero growth or a short recession. Poor growth will put a strain on public finances.

For voters, Brexit means an ongoing squeeze on wages, more years of austerity and a strain on public services. Austerity began after the 2008–9 financial crisis. With Brexit bearing down on the economy in the coming years, austerity will be a fact of life until at least the mid 2020s, nearly 20 years after the banking crisis.

Brexit means a long term decline in public standards and dysfunctional government by crisis management. Collective cabinet responsibility has been all but abandoned and will remain that way all the while Brexit remains a live issue.

Without a single voice, purpose or agreed policies, the government will continue to drift from one issue to the next. Problems will be dealt as they arise, usually with rushed and botched legislation and an expensive financial solution. With time and public money being devoted to Brexit at the expense of much else, there will be a continued strain on government resources leaving other pressing public matters of secondary importance or concern. Brexit will continue to combine austerity with government mismanagement and public services will suffer, often crowded out by the periodic political drama.

Social anxiety and uncertainty will continue for years. Politics will be polarised with Labour and Conservatives dominating the party system. With Brexit taking its toll on the economy and its supporters driven by ideology, there will be plenty of anger and blame to go round. There is going to be years of newspapers demonising perceived enemies, online social abuse, ministerial harassment and voter anxiety.

Brexit will the UK’s legal, economic, social and political equivalent of Chernobyl. A managed and toxic problem passed on from one generation to the next.

19 Replies to “In your opinion, is Brexit going to benefit or be a disaster for the UK and why?”

  1. Disaster.

    Britain was one of the most respected countries in the world, famous for being calm, sensible, kind and doing the right thing. That benefitted our industries and made the U.K. a nice place for skilled people to come and settle. That enhanced our culture and made us richer.

    That's changed. We aren't hospitable or tolerant any more. Desperately needed NHS workers are leaving to go back to their home countries because they don't feel welcomed. Lucrative businesses that were once pretty committed to the UK are now opening offices in Dublin or Frankfurt because they fear the Brexit future. Brexit is turning into an act of unnecessary self-harm.

    That would be bad enough. But the real problem is that so many people have been lied to, believed the lies, and now the truth is gradually being revealed, cling on to their ridiculous and harmful position with grim tenacity. It's as if sanity, prudence and calmness has suddenly gone out the window. All that counts is freeing ourselves from the imaginary prison the Daily Mail has convinced us we are in.

    In truth, the EU has preserved peace in Europe since 1945. This most war-like of continents enjoys peace now, after centuries of blood-letting. UKIP predicted the collapse of the EU when we leave. The right wing is infatuated with British importance, and likes to imagine it as a vital global force. It isn't even a vital European force, it turns out. Apparently the continental countries understand the EU project and why it's vital. The Brits en masse have never understood and probably never will. Most Brits can't even learn a foreign language.

    Brexit has revealed a truth though: Brits are just as myopic and narrow minded as anyone, eager to blame anyone for their woes. Brits like to think of themselves in terms of Nelson and Churchill. In fact the national heroes we pride ourselves on are much the same as many other countries can boast of. British people are not exceptional, and that is now plain to see. In a sense, that is a good thing, but in time it will not make us as comfortable as we have been in the past.

    Or to put it another way, how can we possibly compete in global markets when we represent 65m consumers when we were in a trading club of 500m? Some would have us believe that we’re British, dammit, and therefore we must certainly prevail. They are deluded. If blind faith and patriotism is all we have, we really are screwed.

  2. Disaster.

    Under some ideal scenario, there was a chance that Britain wouldn't end up much worse off after Brexit and in the distant future perhaps even slightly better off.

    But, as with selling ones house on a dodgy business idea, Brexit was always going to be a risky venture; deep down everyone knew this; so, if things do go wonky and not quite how Brexiteers had envisaged, it shouldn't come as a surprise.

    The ‘Singapore of the West’ idea is fleetingly an interesting thought, but something that would never actually materialise: we're just not that sort of a country or culture.

    I expect Brexit to be a failure and to expect anything better was always over-egging the optimism.

    I just wonder how low can things go; how much of the ‘family silver’ is going to be sold off to fund this Brexit fantasy?

    This is not something that can work within the framework of logic/sense — a significant leap of faith is required in order to imagine positive outcomes.

  3. Q: “In your opinion, is Brexit going to benefit or be a disaster for the UK and why?”

    Things will be difficult for quite a few years but should improve to slightly above par in the long term if we persevere. Brexit has a lot of implications for changing the arrangements with the EU and its many associated organisations. These have an inevitable cost in the short and medium term.

    What the UK will gain is the ability to make its own laws without them being changed automatically by Brussels, though we may choose to retain many standards in order to sell into the EU. The EU will be just one of our markets, considering that Commonwealth and BRICs countries are rising as markets. These are not yet able to substitute for the EU 44% market in many things but perhaps they will do so to a greater extent in 50 years.

    Once Brexit occurs, the UK will be able to make trade deals itself, without everything having to go through Brussels. On the surface the fact that the UK is a single kingdom (of 65 million people and 4 nations), rather than a block of 560 million people, means we might be less-attractive as a market but that is an overview, where many individual markets for all kinds of trade will have different effects, and with different nations. In the UK’s specialisms there might be more benefits. It will be the job of government to even things out, over a long period where your vote will make a difference a few times! (OK, watch Yes Minister and realise that Sir Humphrey will do the same whatever colour of party is on the cover!) We will begin with WTO rules but the incentive, to do a deal with each nation and reduce the tariffs, is strong.

    Brexit will mean that many imports become more expensive. This is an opportunity for some goods to be made in the UK and perhaps repatriate some manufacturing that was sent overseas. The upheaval for the City of London will be greater; London provides more services and less manufacturing than areas further North. The City experts will have to innovate, just as engineers in manufacturing industries do. Innovation is a good mind-set to develop and keep.

    I like Europe and its people but I don’t like the Brussels bureaucracy and its tendency to interfere. The drive towards ever-closer union has got too much for a greater number of people the UK. There is a continent-wide power struggle between Brussels and the governments of the nations. Brexit is not the end of it; further unifying measures were announced soon after Brexit was announced. There will always be wranglings within the EU as an organisation. I believe the real battle is spiritual but that is a matter of faith and prayer as much as votes and cash.

    A lot of lies, untruths and half truths have been spoken and written in the Brexit referendum debate and also after it. I was able to take most of them with a pinch of salt. It is obvious that “controlling” money and having it to spend on a particular thing are widely different. We will still have to spend a lot of the same money on our own behalf that we currently spend on the EU’s behalf, such as on science and farming. It will be a few years before there is any net cash benefit, such as the net cash we give the EU each year being re-used. For some years this is likely to be redirected to shore up the hardest-hit industries, whose import and export arrangements change the most.

    In some cases that involves food. Wine lovers will not enjoy a price hike but some may learn to like English wine, which would not be so affected. We will have home-grown food in season but out-of-season foods will be more expensive, except where we have our own micro-climate farming.

    As a more-independent nation, the UK may feel the need to spend more on defence. This is a net cost of Brexit but could be a benefit to our home-grown industries, especially as the development of goods could include later exports (done ethically according to the law!). The UK should maintain competitiveness in technologies. The idea of arms development and sales will no doubt annoy people who lobby for peace and the environment. The UK and other nations should spend more on developing energy efficiency, rather than just using renewables to charge up too many mobile devices.

    If the UK and its people give up hope then it could be a disaster so, once again, it is time to dig for victory and show that we have the same determination that we showed in the early part of the 20th Century. We have a huge incentive to get off our backsides and make it work as well as possible. This applies to all of us, of all political persuasions.

  4. It's funny how binary Quora is on the two topics of Trump and Brexit. People seem to be mostly revolted by the forma and deeply negative about the latter. So my answer is at least half against the tide. On Trump, I am with the bulk of you, full sail with my stunsails set. But on Brexit I take a more sanguine and broader view.

    Firstly, I voted out largely because of Trump. ‘Brexit was before Trump’, you’ll cry, but it wasn't before his stoking of national sentiment, seizing of the populist opportunity as we’ve seen before and yet to be defined back channels with Russia. Concurrently Europe was starting to display its arrogance towards the individual machinations and personal interests of supposed ‘members’ and bending to the monopolistic will of the banks. The EU’s response to Cameron was a tone they set, not us.

    Had they agreed those terms, I suspect the referendum would have gone the other way. It would have for me. But it didn't and as Britain has always done, we took the tough but right choice.

    In my opinion, that monumental decision and Trump living up to his worst possible interpretation were like a rock on the line of an approaching freight train. Suddenly all that is good about Europe, woke up to its core ideals and rejected LePen and Wilders. In Germany they re-elected Merkel. How would it look if we were the rejected equivalent of California to a far-right that starts where ours ends. Totally screwed in terms of who we are. Now, with the urgency of that experience and the spectre of the US’s isolationist short term future (or worse), our great neighbours are no longer seeing their future in an old styled federal superstate, but a globalised one that can fill the moral vacuum left by Trump. Sure a part of that process has to be belligerence in their negotiations but in my opinion the reason the cross party vote has been overwhelming is because behind quiet doors, they know the world is reshaping better because of Brexit. And unless you are one of those who would like to have been part of a state where Austria, Germany, France and The Netherlands were ethnically cleansing their countries and following America into the abyss, then the wider picture is not so gloomy for this continent. We are still part of it and our indirect contribution may just have saved it.

    So if you look at it in that wider context, we as a country universally believe in the NHS, we have one of the most stable democracies in the world and anyone of a different race, religion or sexuality is just a Brit. I know we have had a lot longer to grow up, but I don't see a black or gay guy or a Muslim, I just see my friend, client or work colleague. I don't know any Brit who doesn't. All of that makes us an absolutely stunning place to invest and innovate like the Nordics do on quality of life for everyone. We might even start to be a happy country too, once we are unencumbered with the responsibilities of loyalties we can't control and forging ones that we can. I certainly feel the opportunity to steer a middle ground between America and Europe as a friend to both is not such a bad idea right now.

    I am viscerally European. My family bridges several European countries and religions and in an ideal world I would absolutely have wanted to be part of the EU as I now think it will become. But I am totally persuaded, had we not voted out, the sentiment we are supposed to have triggered (but which I think is totally opposite to who we all are), would have erupted in a much greater way within France, Germany and The Netherlands at least. (Look at Spain and Austria)

    I am part of an All Party Parliamentary Group for AI and whilst many of my colleagues are passionate remainders, I can't help thinking if I were a venture capitalist or hedge fund looking to invest in innovative global businesses, I think the UK is one of the best bets on the table. Likewise when half the jobs of the future are automated, we are a country who believe fundamentally in lifting everyone. In fact Facebook and Quora et al should probably move here before they get totally trumped.

    I don't expect everyone to believe the above, nor embrace something laterally for the reasons I suggest. But would you have believed me a couple of years ago if I said the next US President would be a self-confessed sexual predator, racist and his closest advisors would be calling him a ‘f^%#}}g moron’. Bear that in mind as you watch Europe dodge the same fate as the US.

  5. This is a no-brainer disaster and its in progress before it even takes place!! The economy has begun to suffer, money, companies have begun to leave and immigration, the reason most voted to leave, the actual lifeblood to any country’s economy, will reverse and become a brain drain.

    There is no ambiguity here. Size matters! The reason the EU was created was geopolitical and economic. Financial intertwining keeps nations invested in keeping peace while the bigger the block the more purchasing power it has the more attractive it is. The biggest attraction the UK had was that it was the english speaking member of the EU and every US, Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Australian etc company that wanted a foothold in Europe opened offices in London. It acted as a bridge to the rest of the EU and that’s now over.

    London WAS booming. It is a very, very different city than it was 30 or even 20 years ago. Cosmopolitan beyond its dreams, competing with NY as the world financial center! Now, with the £ is falling, that’s already stopped and along with the rest of the country, it will fall further back because of the idiotic nationalistic closed-minded and short-sighted people that felt they were losing their English identity, dragging the more progressive population down with them!! Easily convinced they fell prey to simplistic ideas that are not exclusive to their country!

    Internally the UK will now face other enormous upheavals such as a possible revival of the N. Ireland “Troubles”!! How will the border with Ireland be dealt with?? That is a huge problem! Also, expect a new referendum in Scotland whether or not to break off of England. The last one not too long ago, skimmed thru to “remain” but that was long before any thoughts of Brexit! But the Scots voted in huge favor to remain in the EU and they plan to apply for membership after they are forced to leave as a result of the UK referendum that dragged them along. England and Wales will be all that’s left of “Great” Britain!! No matter what deals they can secure, the damage is in progress and it will be extensive. What a shame!!

    This is bad news for all except Europe’s enemies, Russia primarily and China. Russia has expansionist desires while China is making infrastructure inroads with capitalist self-centered motives. Dismantling Europe is the last thing we need if we want to keep the world at relative peace! A strong united EU is respected by strong nations!

    Finally, there are limitations to voting as a tool to chart a country’s future. We know well that a majority cannot force a minority to suffer because they are fewer in number and though its a perfectly acceptable concept when applied racially or financially, it seems that by a slim majority it was decided to take the nation towards a disastrous direction forcing a slim minority to follow. The upheaval has only just begun and the Brits will watch the rest of the EU flourish while they flounder. Its all in the numbers and I am sorry they seem incapable to change their minds as enough of them must be having second thoughts and return to sanity.

  6. Having a non binding referendum on this topic, which only required a very simple majority and ignored the turnout, was a stupid idea in the first place.

    When asked how he would vote Noel Gallagher have a brilliant answer:

    “ Do I think we should leave? I don't think we should be given a vote.I see politicians on TV every night telling us that this is a fucking momentous decision that could fucking change Britain forever and blah, blah, blah. It’s like, okay, why don’t you fucking do what we pay you to do which is run the fucking country and make your fucking mind up….What are you asking the people for? 99 percent of the people are thick as pig shit.”

    In voting for Brexit, England and Wales started a chain reaction which could eventually lead to the breaking up of the UK.

    If Brexit hadn't happened then the Americans might have not voted for Trump either and the AfD might not be rising in Germany.

    Brexit has give a voice to the far right demon which European and American societies have managed to keep locked for decades.

    Luckily nowadays, the internet has enabled information to reach all across the globe, the whole world is watching Brexit and Trump , and laughing their asses off.

    The far right can only thrive when information is suppressed. Education is the enemy of the far right.

    There is hope , the French overwhelmingly rejected LePen, in the 2017 election the British shrunk Theresa May's mandate for Brexit.

    I place a bet now that Brexit will not happen. The concept will either be binned all together or the UK will go for a very soft Brexit (EEA membership).

  7. Disaster.

    I've written extensively on why I think it's a bad idea (you can glean some reasons from this answer: Peter Hawkins' answer to What, with the benefit of hindsight, in time, would lead you to say you were wrong over Brexit?)

    But not only is it a bad idea, it's also being badly implemented. The government hasn't got a clue what it is doing. Theresa May triggered Article 50 before she had a unified plan for Brexit (and thereby sacrificed our main advantage over timings) before calling a snap election and wasting a further two months. She then promptly lost seats in this snap election. David Davis promised the row of the summer if the EU insisted on sequential talks, then promptly capitulated without so much as a whimper. Now he's trying to backtrack and get parallel talks. What? Why did you agree to sequential talks in the first place? We are trying to threaten to walk away, even though it's blatantly obvious that it's not a credible threat because we haven't got enough time to prepare for a no deal Brexit and there's no parliamentary majority for one anyway. The threat of a Scorched Earth Brexit would be laughable, if it weren't for the case that a combination of incompetence and events made it possible!

    It's actually a bit embarrassing.

    I could resign myself to Brexit (even if it is a pointless shot to our own feet). But why should I tolerate it being done so incompetently?

    The way to do Brexit competently is to start being honest with the electorate. This will mean either compromise and chucking some of the Brexiteer promises in the bin, or serious preparation for a No Deal scenario (and being willing to talk in detail about the trade offs associated with that approach). But it's not my job as a Remainer to deliver a competent Brexit. I think it's too difficult and not worth the effort (any deliverable compromise worse than the status quo). No amount of wittering on with platitudes about all pulling in the same direction for the best deal will change that.

  8. Disaster.

    The world is forming into trade blocks. Only the USA, India China and possibly Russia are big enough and have resources enough to negotiate with those blocks on an equal footing.

    We have thrown away the advantage of being the leading English speaking nation in the EU. How important is that? India, the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are not the only English speaking countries in the world. Almost every former British Colony has English as the language of Law and Government. We were their natural gateway to that EU market.
    Much of the industrial investment from overseas into the UK in the last 30 years was because it was inside the EU market.
    Why would Google, Microsoft, Nissan and companies like that have their European Headquarters here any more if we are not part of the EU.

    Unless we form up with other unaligned countries in a new trade block (say, that Commonwealth our Queen is also a head of), then we will be truly stuffed as we will have little way and means to negotiate any equitable trade deals. And not just with the other trade blocks, but with large corporations. The total sum of our negotiation position will become “could you at least use some lube”.

    That said the way some of the EU are behaving during the negotiations (and Mays government has been even worse in places), we might be glad to be rid of them in the long run. The way it treated Greece, the way it is eyeing up Spain, Italy, the way it is talking to Hungary and Poland. All make me think it is not always operating in the best interests of its smaller members. It is a largely unaccountable and poorly run organisation. It might just fail or simply carry on working somehow despite itself.

  9. You've had some intelligent and informative answers from authorities such as Peter Hawkins with which I agree. However, on a slightly different tack, for me one of the biggest disasters already is how people, propped up by morally reprehensible publications such as The Daily Mail, completely fail to acknowledge that there are any problems whatsoever with Brexit. For them, "no deal" is going to open up amazing frontiers of trade…yet perceived trading opportunities were never used to sell "Brexit" to the public initially; no, the arguments used back then were more on xenophobic lines.

    Why the change? Here's why: Because deep down, there is an unease about the economic implications that Brexiteers want to deny; so now they are trying to convince themselves otherwise. If, as many writers here suspect, everything implodes, the last recourse of failure will be to resort to primal instincts: "We got our country back. Know whot oi mean mate?" But I'll repeat an old saying that I've quoted more than once: "Love flies out of the window when poverty comes knocking at the door."

  10. It will be the opportunity for a great leap forward. due to their absolute incompetence the Tories have ensured that the next government will be a left wing labour government with a big majority.

    They will, correctly blame all the problems on brexit and so will make the Tories and their financial backers pay for it. As labour have a far cleverer back bench than the tories this will work. As many in the city are sick of the greedy and overpaid who have managed to worm their way into many high positions, easier than doing real work, the labour government will find support from many unexpected quarters.

    In this new era of investment and optimisim the UK will forge ahead in a moribund world. Musk and Space X will find themselves and their firework rockets eclipsed as the british spaceplanes cut space costs considerably and pave the way to the resources of the stars.

    Even as a remainer I think positive. what I do know is that your average Tory has not enough imagination to think further than the end of their noses.

  11. I tend to think that Brexit was going to happen at some point in some way. I believe that the EU is moving towards ever closer union and at some point we would not want to continue along those lines. We are already opting out of so much, and it would have been entirely reasonable for the EU to demand, like an exasperated cat-owner, that we either get in or get out.

    So, in my opinion the UK would have been out of the EU in the long run anyway. There was the possibility that it could have been done well. It could have been done in a slow, careful way that maximised the potential on all sides, maintained relationships and got as close to a win/win situation as possible.

    Of course, that isn't what is happening. The degree of incompetence displayed by the Tories through the entire process, from calling the referendum to date, is genuinely startling. I don't tend to have a high opinion of the Tories at the best of times, but this is ridiculous.

    I think the kind of Brexit we are apparently having will be a disaster. I don't think it had to be. I don't think this was an inevitable outcome of leaving the EU. Nevertheless, it seems to be what we're getting.

    Edit: I’m copying this from my reply in comments to further expound:

    Well, here are a few ways it could have been done differently –

    • The referendum could have been called from a position of actual belief in resolving the issue rather than a need to shush the backbench.
    • The PM who called the referendum could have undertaken to stay and deal with the result no matter what it was, in the country’s best interests
    • The referendum could have been carefully considered and structured in such a way as to be clear and ensure that any change reflected the genuine will of the majority
    • The triggering of article 50 could have waited until an ACTUAL GODDAMN PLAN was in place wtf.
    • The team appointed to handle Brexit could have been mildly competent rather than the cast of Rainbow, which is what we currently have.

    Clockwise: Philip Hammond, David Davis, Theresa May, Boris Johnson.

    Having a plan, a carefully considered referendum, a competent team and a PM who had seen the entire thing through would have ensured at the very least less of a mess than we currently have. And it wouldn’t have been at all hard to do it this way. It would have actually been easier.

  12. Oh, a total big fat disaster.

    We’re living in an age of superpowers, and we aren’t one any longer. I mean, yeah, we’re up there in the top ten, but it ain’t the 80s any longer.

    It’s now super super powers. The US, China and India are going to be the dominating factors. In order to just compete at there level we have been, we have to be part of the EU. That’s the only way any European country can take on the big power blocks that are on their way in any meaningful way. Bearing in mind, if the EU were a country, it would be the world’s larges economy.

    Added to which more than half our trade (both ways) is with the EU. And now it’s probably going to have customs fees whacked on the top, making imports more expensive, and exports – thus reducing sales to the EU.

    I’ve heard a lot of pro Brexit people saying that the Commonwealth can replace the EU in terms of trade – they appear to have forgotten that substantial chunks of the Commonwealth are still very poor (at least by EU standards) so aren’t that likely to buy from us, that a goodly chunk of the Commonwealth still hate us as their former colonial power (sometimes fairly, sometimes not), and that most Commonwealth countries are further away, meaning things will get more expensive due to increased transit costs.

    Or they say that things will get better because we can negotiate our own trade deals. Well, yes, but with absolutely zero expertise, because for more than a generation, that’s been handled by the EU on our behalf. Those who were expert in the field are pretty much long gone.

    Then you have the fact that the government, rather than putting together team of the very best people for the job, is remaining tiresomely party political about the whole thing, and sending in people who really don’t know what they’re doing. (David Davis referring to a country that hasn’t existed for more than half my lifetime being a classic.)

    Oh, yes, and then there’s stuff like nuclear inspections, that are currently done by European agencies on our behalf, but suddenly we’ll have to do on our own, because the government has decided it wants to withdraw from Euratom, and to use Brexit as cover for doing so, even though Euratom is not an EU organisation – and yep, you guessed it, we don’t have the facility or the personnel to carry out the checks ourselves.

    And personally for me, they’re using my friends (both from the EU living here, or from here living in the EU) as pawns.

    It’s all just a big fat mess.

    What’s keeping me going is the belief that one day in the future, when a more enlightened, less frightened generation is in charge, we’ll go back in.

  13. I don’t think the UK is homogeneous enough for there to be an overall benefit or disaster.

    I think the parallel is with Margaret Thatchers policies of the 1980’s. They left many formerly industrial areas utterly devastated for generations, but set the scene for huge growth in the City and other service sectors of the country. The UK went from being the ‘sick man of europe’ to the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world. So was that a benefit or a disaster?

    My guess is that Brexit is going to be something of a repeat. It will open up opportunities for those able to take advantage, but will be brutal to those who cannot.

    Also like with the 1980’s I think a lot of the pain is inevitable. Regardless of what Thatcher did those coal mines were going to close sooner or later. For our time the way automation is progressing there are going to be huge numbers of people who find their skills are no longer valuable. Give things another 10 or 20 years and there are going to be a lot of unemployed lorry/taxi/bus/train/delivery drivers.

    I think Brexit is us setting the scene for making that transition sooner and in a more abrupt fashion, whereas if we stayed in the EU that would have been regulation and protectionist policies to delay and soften the blow.

    Also my gut feel though is that this time round the benefits are going to be enjoyed by a smaller group of people, and the pain spread more widely.

  14. Neither. Britain will survive and make a new way forward with its allies. The British people are hard working and the elite classes have connections that are centuries old.

    Good old Blighty will still be here.

    In the short term it is going to look like mini disaster after mini disaster or mini success after mini success depending on which news feed you follow.

    The Tory party are uniquely positioned to screw everything up but I think even this is beyond them. It would take epic incompetence to ruin the United Kingdom, even more than the incompetence they have faithfully applied to get us here in the first place.

  15. The trouble is that “Brexit” means an awful lot of different things to lots of different people. It was never defined to a degree that people actually knew exactly what it was they were voting for, and the campaigns for both leave and remain started from a fairly murky standpoint and only got increasingly more divisive. There are plenty of people who through lack of information and with a general feeling of mistrust towards the political classes voted against their own interests.

    The vote, while only having two options on the ballot paper, was used for many purposes, the Tory party turned it in to a defacto leadership contest, the wider anti E.U. contingent managed to quite succesfully turn it in to an argument about patriotism, thus ensuring anyone arguing for Britain to remain had to first argue that they were not advocating to do away with whatever qualities the British use to define their “Britishness”, before they could make a case for staying. The whole thing was in professional terms, an absolute clusterfuck.

    This feeling of mistrust and division has continued after the vote. I did not vote to leave the E.U. but I don’t think, given enough time and resources, it would be impossible for one massive economy to negotiate a productive place within whatever geo political landscape is present, however a large portion of leave voters now feel betrayed that the Brexit they thought they voted for is not materialising, another portion of leave voters are realising they wanted to vote against the government but not really to leave the E.U., some remain voters are feeling smug at the fact the political shitstorm they predicted is coming to pass but at the same time are very worried for the same reason and a not small portion of all the public are just fed up of hearing about it all. Meanwhile, at a time when they really need to unite for a greater purpose, the political class have taken every opportunity afforded to them to carry on playing their mercurial power games at the expense of the people.

    Britain has enough economists, lawyers, trade negotiators, intellectuals, philosophers, poets, lovers and soldiers to come together and make a success of almost any hand dealt to us, but at this quite precarious moment we have fallen back once again on sending in the least competent and most self serving people to perform this complex task on our behalves.

    Brexit could be a success, but it will be a disaster.

  16. Brexit is already a disaster as the UK sees foreign direction investment plummeting since the referendum and the UK’s reputation and influence has been damaged. I’ve written post outlining the evidence for 8 claims the leave campaign made about the benefits of Brexit: 8 Myths About Leaving The EU – Conversion Uplift

  17. An utter disaster!


    Economically we are snubbing our closest economic partners and the largest single trading bloc in the world. We are reliant on them (and others) for food and material goods; stuff that it is non portable takes years to implement the infrastructure and build up the skills to do. In return we sell them mainly services which are easily portable. It’s already crashed the value of the pound. We’ll lose the economic clout we could use to help negotiate beneficial trade arrangements.

    Socially we have shown ourselves to be a selfish inward and backward looking place more worried about our archaic notions of sovereignty than with our current place in the world. It’s already spiked xenophobic and hate crimes, has divided the country and made the it much less appealing for the (skilled and unskilled) migrant labour we so desperately need.

    In summary it’s like shooting yourself in the foot after making sure you have both feet firmly wedged in your mouth.

  18. A disaster.

    My hometown (Derby) has 3 big industrial employers. Bombardier, Rolls Royce and Toyota. If they incur massive tariff increases or cost complications to their respective supply chains. Do you really think they are going to continue to operate in the U.K. ?

    So that's 60,000 skilled middle class jobs lost in the region. The Tories aren't bothered. They’ll be too busy telling us we are not working hard enough. Scratching their heads waiting for the next batch of orders from News International.

  19. Disaster.

    We know that if the government’s own Brexit impact studies had shown anything other than disaster then they would have been published, in full, to much fanfare.

    The fact that they won’t publish any of them shows that the impact will be negative in every way.

    A sensible government would publish the studies – abandon Brexit and accept any electoral backlash.

    But we don’t have a sensible government- instead we have one obsessed with preserving itself as a political party and retaining power at the nation’s expense.

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